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		<title>Comment on Bloggers for Peer-Reviewed Research Reporting is working on a post aggregation system. by ResearchBlogging.org News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reactions to BPR3 from across the web</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2007/10/29/bloggers-for-peer-reviewed-research-reporting-is-working-on-a-post-aggregation-system/comment-page-1/#comment-15468</link>
		<dc:creator>ResearchBlogging.org News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reactions to BPR3 from across the web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] estaría yo pensando (en Espanol) Quintessence of Dust Respectful Insolence The Scientific Activist Synthesis Thus Spake Zuska Train de Trainer (Dutch) Uncertain [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on An open letter to the medical community. by Mr. Gunn</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009/11/03/an-open-letter-to-the-medical-community/comment-page-1/#comment-15467</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Doe - 

As a scientific consultant, I get quite a bit of work coming in via my blog and social networking profiles.  In fact, I&#039;d be willing to bet that I pay more taxes than you do, especially since independent contractors pay both their share and the share otherwise paid by the employer.

Don&#039;t hate me because I get paid to do this ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Doe &#8211; </p>
<p>As a scientific consultant, I get quite a bit of work coming in via my blog and social networking profiles.  In fact, I&#8217;d be willing to bet that I pay more taxes than you do, especially since independent contractors pay both their share and the share otherwise paid by the employer.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t hate me because I get paid to do this <img src='http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on An open letter to the medical community. by John Doe</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009/11/03/an-open-letter-to-the-medical-community/comment-page-1/#comment-15466</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Gunn, You surely have too much time on your hands!  How doing some work and paying some taxes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Gunn, You surely have too much time on your hands!  How doing some work and paying some taxes!</p>
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		<title>Comment on An open letter to the medical community. by Mr. Gunn</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009/11/03/an-open-letter-to-the-medical-community/comment-page-1/#comment-15465</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What exactly do you mean by &quot;not interpreted in the right manner?&quot;  Patients don&#039;t know enough to make the right decisions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly do you mean by &#8220;not interpreted in the right manner?&#8221;  Patients don&#8217;t know enough to make the right decisions?</p>
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		<title>Comment on An open letter to the medical community. by No name given [URL deleted]</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009/11/03/an-open-letter-to-the-medical-community/comment-page-1/#comment-15464</link>
		<dc:creator>No name given [URL deleted]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 30-year veteran of the health care business, it is my firm belief that too much health information is not a good idea...mainly because it is never interpreted in the right manner.

Human nature? The evil side of us? Maybe not. But sometimes too much of a good thing is not so good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 30-year veteran of the health care business, it is my firm belief that too much health information is not a good idea&#8230;mainly because it is never interpreted in the right manner.</p>
<p>Human nature? The evil side of us? Maybe not. But sometimes too much of a good thing is not so good!</p>
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		<title>Comment on McCain and Obama on healthcare by insurance online tips</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2008/06/04/mccain-and-obama-on-healthcare/comment-page-1/#comment-15463</link>
		<dc:creator>insurance online tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read the article the only problem with McCain’s plan is that if your company drops the health care plan you would get paid more but if you can’t get health insurance or your premiums are still too high then you’re in serious trouble when it come to getting insurance for you and your family. But then i noticed that a person could buy insurance across state line which would give greater competitions and offer more services and opportunities for insurance which could potentially work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read the article the only problem with McCain’s plan is that if your company drops the health care plan you would get paid more but if you can’t get health insurance or your premiums are still too high then you’re in serious trouble when it come to getting insurance for you and your family. But then i noticed that a person could buy insurance across state line which would give greater competitions and offer more services and opportunities for insurance which could potentially work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An open letter to the medical community. by mutuelles</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009/11/03/an-open-letter-to-the-medical-community/comment-page-1/#comment-15461</link>
		<dc:creator>mutuelles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it appropriate to look at some of the larger structural changes as a means to address this kind of issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it appropriate to look at some of the larger structural changes as a means to address this kind of issue?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Could this be the Science Social Networking killer app? by [keywords deleted]</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009/02/13/could-this-be-the-science-social-networking-killer-app/comment-page-1/#comment-15460</link>
		<dc:creator>[keywords deleted]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This doesn&#039;t surprise me at all.  There are social networks for everybody, not just ones that cater for the &#039;general&#039; but also specific niches like this.  They do not need to be tweaked too much in order to achieve the correct functionality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t surprise me at all.  There are social networks for everybody, not just ones that cater for the &#8216;general&#8217; but also specific niches like this.  They do not need to be tweaked too much in order to achieve the correct functionality.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s interesting in Pubmed this Week: Stem Cells by Dr. Hans J. Kugler, PhD</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2007/10/22/whats-interesting-in-pubmed-this-week-stem-cells/comment-page-1/#comment-15459</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Hans J. Kugler, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides doing a nuclear transfer, is there a better method to make person-specific stem cells (stem cells with DNA the same as the recipient&#039;s)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides doing a nuclear transfer, is there a better method to make person-specific stem cells (stem cells with DNA the same as the recipient&#8217;s)?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Connotea, you&#8217;ve been good to me by Mr. Gunn</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2008/06/16/connotea-youve-been-good-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-15428</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please tell me more about how you use academic reference management in your garden tool supply business.

/tool</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please tell me more about how you use academic reference management in your garden tool supply business.</p>
<p>/tool</p>
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		<title>Comment on Connotea, you&#8217;ve been good to me by Garden tool supply</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2008/06/16/connotea-youve-been-good-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-15427</link>
		<dc:creator>Garden tool supply</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading it. I need to read more on this issue...I am admiring  the time and effort you put in your blog, because it is apparently one great place where I can find lot of reusable info..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading it. I need to read more on this issue&#8230;I am admiring  the time and effort you put in your blog, because it is apparently one great place where I can find lot of reusable info..</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2collab: A review, kinda. by Mr. Gunn</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2007/11/28/2collab-a-review-kinda/comment-page-1/#comment-15424</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said in my last comment, I&#039;m now recommending Mendeley, and actively working with them to promote their service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in my last comment, I&#8217;m now recommending Mendeley, and actively working with them to promote their service.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2collab: A review, kinda. by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2007/11/28/2collab-a-review-kinda/comment-page-1/#comment-15423</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me like he was referring to your last comment</description>
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		<title>Comment on No Twitter at ASCB by Sally</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009/12/06/300/comment-page-1/#comment-15422</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with Mr Gunn on this one, especially on open access and open source.  About 60% of my blog traffic comes from Firefox, most of the rest from IE6 (pharma companies on exchange servers are often still on IE6).

The no Twitter policy expounded by the ASCB is absolutely devalued by the fact that any many of the public can search the ASCB site for the meeting abstracts, without being members. The data is therefore published and available as open access to the public, which kind of shoots the policy in the foot.

Compare with most major cancer meetings such as ASH, AACR and ASCO, all of whom actively encourage Twitter and some have even held impromptu tweetups.  The difference is they realise it&#039;s a great way for scientists, researchers and physicians to collaborate and interact, as well as providing free PR for their organisation.  In short, it becomes a great marketing too when used effectively.

The only other scientific organisation I&#039;ve come across that doesn&#039;t allow Twitter is the CSHL meetings after the row exploded on the same issue in the past.  The question is, what do they have to hide by banning Twitter when they publish abstracts?  This is the 21st century not the 1800&#039;s and some dinosaurs need to adapt or become extinct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Mr Gunn on this one, especially on open access and open source.  About 60% of my blog traffic comes from Firefox, most of the rest from IE6 (pharma companies on exchange servers are often still on IE6).</p>
<p>The no Twitter policy expounded by the ASCB is absolutely devalued by the fact that any many of the public can search the ASCB site for the meeting abstracts, without being members. The data is therefore published and available as open access to the public, which kind of shoots the policy in the foot.</p>
<p>Compare with most major cancer meetings such as ASH, AACR and ASCO, all of whom actively encourage Twitter and some have even held impromptu tweetups.  The difference is they realise it&#8217;s a great way for scientists, researchers and physicians to collaborate and interact, as well as providing free PR for their organisation.  In short, it becomes a great marketing too when used effectively.</p>
<p>The only other scientific organisation I&#8217;ve come across that doesn&#8217;t allow Twitter is the CSHL meetings after the row exploded on the same issue in the past.  The question is, what do they have to hide by banning Twitter when they publish abstracts?  This is the 21st century not the 1800&#8217;s and some dinosaurs need to adapt or become extinct.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Twitter at ASCB by Mr. Gunn</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009/12/06/300/comment-page-1/#comment-15421</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the lengthy and detailed response, David.  

I think we&#039;ve mostly both said what we&#039;re going to say, but just two quick points: open science is neither impractical, impossible, nor does it favor the unscrupulous.

It&#039;s extraordinarily practical, especially in this era of system biology and large data-driven experiments.

It&#039;s not only possible, but easy. Lots of money has been spent to capture this market, so that should speak for something.

It doesn&#039;t favor the unscrupulous because large collaborations can often do things labs working in isolation can&#039;t.  It does tend to favor the early-adopters, though, so I&#039;m not surprised that some people dismiss it. Microsoft, for one, has used the &quot;dismiss until we can get our own efforts up and running&quot; strategy to great effect.

I know I sound unapologetically boosterish. I recognize as well as anyone that many of the tools haven&#039;t yet reached mainstream acceptance. Our views are actually quite similar; It&#039;s that word &quot;yet&quot; that distinguishes us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the lengthy and detailed response, David.  </p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ve mostly both said what we&#8217;re going to say, but just two quick points: open science is neither impractical, impossible, nor does it favor the unscrupulous.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s extraordinarily practical, especially in this era of system biology and large data-driven experiments.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not only possible, but easy. Lots of money has been spent to capture this market, so that should speak for something.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t favor the unscrupulous because large collaborations can often do things labs working in isolation can&#8217;t.  It does tend to favor the early-adopters, though, so I&#8217;m not surprised that some people dismiss it. Microsoft, for one, has used the &#8220;dismiss until we can get our own efforts up and running&#8221; strategy to great effect.</p>
<p>I know I sound unapologetically boosterish. I recognize as well as anyone that many of the tools haven&#8217;t yet reached mainstream acceptance. Our views are actually quite similar; It&#8217;s that word &#8220;yet&#8221; that distinguishes us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Twitter at ASCB by David Crotty</title>
		<link>http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009/12/06/300/comment-page-1/#comment-15420</link>
		<dc:creator>David Crotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that we&#039;re moving in very different worlds.

My job entails creating new products that serve the needs of the research community.  As such, I spend a lot of time with the community talking about what&#039;s important to them.  I attend around half a dozen off-site major meetings a year.  Since I&#039;m at a conference center, I spend time at most of the 25-30 CSHL meetings each year, and drop in on several of the invitation-only Banbury Center meetings offered.  My primary job right now involves a methods journal, so I spend lots of time with the instructors and students of the 30-odd courses offered at CSHL.  I run a journal that published around 300 articles in the past year, each with its own set of authors who I&#039;ve been in contact with directly.  I&#039;ve got around a dozen book projects in the works, which range from having single authors to having hundreds of authors.  Suffice to say, I think I&#039;m getting a pretty decent survey of the biological community.


This community is passionate about doing scientific research.  They are not generally passionate about publishing business models, about questions of access, about web 2.0 or twitter or blogs.  Those things are all peripheral to their main pursuits.  They&#039;re much more interested in planar cell polarity or branching morphogenesis than in FriendFeed.  They want to spend their time doing research and discovering new knowledge, not talking about doing research or playing around with tools that allow you to talk about doing research.  If you&#039;ve got a tool that does something useful and doesn&#039;t interfere with their real interests and goals, they&#039;re certainly open to using it.  If it doesn&#039;t provide an obvious benefit, or if it puts them at a distinct disadvantage, they&#039;re unlikely to waste their time with it.  


I don&#039;t think scientists &quot;don&#039;t like&quot; open science or &quot;open access&quot; at all--in an ideal world, that&#039;s how things would work.  I was recently interviewed for a magazine and asked if I could point the author to opponents of open science.  I responded that I don&#039;t think there are any.  Everyone I&#039;ve met thinks it&#039;s a great concept, but very few can see it being implemented in the real world.  The near universal response I get is more of an eye-rolling, a realization that it&#039;s impractical and not something they care enough about to risk their careers and responsibilities over.  As you note, it&#039;s something most haven&#039;t tried, because it is impossible for them to do so and continue to build the careers they want.  They put the responsibilities toward their students, toward being able to pay their employees and to feed their families over the idealism being offered here.


Open science is particularly problematic because it favors the unscrupulous.  Unless every single lab in the world buys in 100%, then those who conceal their data have a distinct advantage over those who are open with their data.  In a system with limited funding and limited numbers of jobs, most are unwilling to cede any advantage to those competing for the same funding and jobs.  If you can come up with a system of unlimited funding and universal employment, then perhaps it&#039;s a possibility.


Linux, which you mention, is a good parallel. For the last ten years or so, every year we&#039;ve been told that &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_Linux#Year_of_Desktop_Linux&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;&lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; is the year of desktop Linux&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.  Each year, the world shrugs, then moves on with its real business while the zealots and evangelists change their prediction to next year.  Linux has found its place, to be sure, where it&#039;s an appropriate tool that makes sense.  But it has never caught on with the mainstream public on the desktop and is unlikely ever to do so, despite the fact that there&#039;s a strong, vocal community who see it as the way things &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be.  Is the Linux community just ahead of everyone else, or do they have different priorities than the mainstream?  


To use your other example, looking over my mainstream biology journal&#039;s server logs for the last 4 weeks, Firefox (Mozilla based browsers) makes up around 18-21% of our traffic. That&#039;s actually high compared to our other journals where Firefox is running around 10-12% of requests.  Does the fact that 70% of the traffic you&#039;re seeing comes from Firefox tell you something about how representative your group of bloggers is with the behaviors of mainstream scientists?


I&#039;m a firm believer that many of the behaviors and attitudes of online and social tools will  indeed slowly trickle into mainstream activities in science.  But those that successfully integrate must also be of obvious benefit, of increased efficiency, must not interfere with doing research or consume large amounts of time and effort, and must be practical and compatible with funding and career building.  Most of what&#039;s being proposed by the science 2.0 community has a long way to go before it can meet most of those criteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that we&#8217;re moving in very different worlds.</p>
<p>My job entails creating new products that serve the needs of the research community.  As such, I spend a lot of time with the community talking about what&#8217;s important to them.  I attend around half a dozen off-site major meetings a year.  Since I&#8217;m at a conference center, I spend time at most of the 25-30 CSHL meetings each year, and drop in on several of the invitation-only Banbury Center meetings offered.  My primary job right now involves a methods journal, so I spend lots of time with the instructors and students of the 30-odd courses offered at CSHL.  I run a journal that published around 300 articles in the past year, each with its own set of authors who I&#8217;ve been in contact with directly.  I&#8217;ve got around a dozen book projects in the works, which range from having single authors to having hundreds of authors.  Suffice to say, I think I&#8217;m getting a pretty decent survey of the biological community.</p>
<p>This community is passionate about doing scientific research.  They are not generally passionate about publishing business models, about questions of access, about web 2.0 or twitter or blogs.  Those things are all peripheral to their main pursuits.  They&#8217;re much more interested in planar cell polarity or branching morphogenesis than in FriendFeed.  They want to spend their time doing research and discovering new knowledge, not talking about doing research or playing around with tools that allow you to talk about doing research.  If you&#8217;ve got a tool that does something useful and doesn&#8217;t interfere with their real interests and goals, they&#8217;re certainly open to using it.  If it doesn&#8217;t provide an obvious benefit, or if it puts them at a distinct disadvantage, they&#8217;re unlikely to waste their time with it.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think scientists &#8220;don&#8217;t like&#8221; open science or &#8220;open access&#8221; at all&#8211;in an ideal world, that&#8217;s how things would work.  I was recently interviewed for a magazine and asked if I could point the author to opponents of open science.  I responded that I don&#8217;t think there are any.  Everyone I&#8217;ve met thinks it&#8217;s a great concept, but very few can see it being implemented in the real world.  The near universal response I get is more of an eye-rolling, a realization that it&#8217;s impractical and not something they care enough about to risk their careers and responsibilities over.  As you note, it&#8217;s something most haven&#8217;t tried, because it is impossible for them to do so and continue to build the careers they want.  They put the responsibilities toward their students, toward being able to pay their employees and to feed their families over the idealism being offered here.</p>
<p>Open science is particularly problematic because it favors the unscrupulous.  Unless every single lab in the world buys in 100%, then those who conceal their data have a distinct advantage over those who are open with their data.  In a system with limited funding and limited numbers of jobs, most are unwilling to cede any advantage to those competing for the same funding and jobs.  If you can come up with a system of unlimited funding and universal employment, then perhaps it&#8217;s a possibility.</p>
<p>Linux, which you mention, is a good parallel. For the last ten years or so, every year we&#8217;ve been told that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_Linux#Year_of_Desktop_Linux">&#8220;<em>this</em> is the year of desktop Linux&#8221;</a>.  Each year, the world shrugs, then moves on with its real business while the zealots and evangelists change their prediction to next year.  Linux has found its place, to be sure, where it&#8217;s an appropriate tool that makes sense.  But it has never caught on with the mainstream public on the desktop and is unlikely ever to do so, despite the fact that there&#8217;s a strong, vocal community who see it as the way things <em>should</em> be.  Is the Linux community just ahead of everyone else, or do they have different priorities than the mainstream?  </p>
<p>To use your other example, looking over my mainstream biology journal&#8217;s server logs for the last 4 weeks, Firefox (Mozilla based browsers) makes up around 18-21% of our traffic. That&#8217;s actually high compared to our other journals where Firefox is running around 10-12% of requests.  Does the fact that 70% of the traffic you&#8217;re seeing comes from Firefox tell you something about how representative your group of bloggers is with the behaviors of mainstream scientists?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a firm believer that many of the behaviors and attitudes of online and social tools will  indeed slowly trickle into mainstream activities in science.  But those that successfully integrate must also be of obvious benefit, of increased efficiency, must not interfere with doing research or consume large amounts of time and effort, and must be practical and compatible with funding and career building.  Most of what&#8217;s being proposed by the science 2.0 community has a long way to go before it can meet most of those criteria.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we are living in separate worlds, David. 

In my world, the open science idea is only fully accessible now to academic scientists, but even industry scientists can release some of their work for reuse by their peers. 

In my world, open source has done quite well in the business environment. Even employees of large corporate enterprises are releasing parts of their code as open source. 

In my world, 70% of my traffic uses the open source browser Firefox. Is the correlation among blog-reading scientists and firefox users mere coincidence?

In my world, not being interested in something could be because they&#039;ve tried it and didn&#039;t find it useful or simply because they haven&#039;t had a chance to explore it yet. 

In my world, most scientists have not tried it and decided they don&#039;t like it, so the blanket assertions you make every time this issue comes up don&#039;t justify the certainty with which you assert them.

In my world, the trends are quite clearly towards more openness, from Facebook privacy settings to the Office of Science and Technology Policy.

My world could be a weird little niche dimension of it&#039;s own, with no greater importance, or it could be a world where the future has arrived a few years earlier. Past experience suggests the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are living in separate worlds, David. </p>
<p>In my world, the open science idea is only fully accessible now to academic scientists, but even industry scientists can release some of their work for reuse by their peers. </p>
<p>In my world, open source has done quite well in the business environment. Even employees of large corporate enterprises are releasing parts of their code as open source. </p>
<p>In my world, 70% of my traffic uses the open source browser Firefox. Is the correlation among blog-reading scientists and firefox users mere coincidence?</p>
<p>In my world, not being interested in something could be because they&#8217;ve tried it and didn&#8217;t find it useful or simply because they haven&#8217;t had a chance to explore it yet. </p>
<p>In my world, most scientists have not tried it and decided they don&#8217;t like it, so the blanket assertions you make every time this issue comes up don&#8217;t justify the certainty with which you assert them.</p>
<p>In my world, the trends are quite clearly towards more openness, from Facebook privacy settings to the Office of Science and Technology Policy.</p>
<p>My world could be a weird little niche dimension of it&#8217;s own, with no greater importance, or it could be a world where the future has arrived a few years earlier. Past experience suggests the latter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Twitter at ASCB by David Crotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Crotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, good luck with that.  Just because the people you hang out with online all agree on something, that doesn&#039;t make it inevitable.  The vast majority of scientists work in industry, and open science is not an option for them (70% according to the NSF):
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf08305/
For those in academia, the vast majority are more interested in doing actual science than in studying and changing the way science is done.  They&#039;re also very interested in paying their employees and feeding their families, so unless you work out the whole &quot;limited amounts of funding&quot; and &quot;limited numbers of jobs&quot; thing, that&#039;s going to be a problem.  And for the record, Firefox is hovering at around 25% marketshare (http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=28239).

Sorry for the rant--to get back to the subject.  Scientists are already hesitant to bring unpublished results to meetings.  If you think widespread dissemination of their talks is likely to decrease this hesitance, then we&#039;re not living in the same world of scientists.  Most that I&#039;ve met would be unhappy seeing someone else publicly displaying and interpreting their preliminary data--one example here:
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080902/full/455007a.html

And a good conference goes well beyond just sharing data.  Call me old fashioned, but in-person interactions can provide things that online communication can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, good luck with that.  Just because the people you hang out with online all agree on something, that doesn&#8217;t make it inevitable.  The vast majority of scientists work in industry, and open science is not an option for them (70% according to the NSF):<br />
<a href="http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf08305/">http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf08305/</a><br />
For those in academia, the vast majority are more interested in doing actual science than in studying and changing the way science is done.  They&#8217;re also very interested in paying their employees and feeding their families, so unless you work out the whole &#8220;limited amounts of funding&#8221; and &#8220;limited numbers of jobs&#8221; thing, that&#8217;s going to be a problem.  And for the record, Firefox is hovering at around 25% marketshare (<a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=28239">http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=28239</a>).</p>
<p>Sorry for the rant&#8211;to get back to the subject.  Scientists are already hesitant to bring unpublished results to meetings.  If you think widespread dissemination of their talks is likely to decrease this hesitance, then we&#8217;re not living in the same world of scientists.  Most that I&#8217;ve met would be unhappy seeing someone else publicly displaying and interpreting their preliminary data&#8211;one example here:<br />
<a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080902/full/455007a.html">http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080902/full/455007a.html</a></p>
<p>And a good conference goes well beyond just sharing data.  Call me old fashioned, but in-person interactions can provide things that online communication can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Twitter at ASCB by Mr. Gunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number of scientists who publish data on their blog is just an early indicator of a nascent practice. You can&#039;t claim it&#039;s unpopular until a representative sample of people have tried it and quit because they didn&#039;t like it or didn&#039;t find it useful.  People claimed Firefox wasn&#039;t popular, until it was.

Tweeting about results during a conference has nothing to do whether people bring unpublished results to the conference or not, unless it&#039;s found to be true at some future point in time that scientists don&#039;t bring new results to a conference if people are allowed to discuss it online.  What seems obvious to me is that this will not be found to be the case.

Rather, it&#039;s quite possible that if people are easily and effectively sharing information with distant colleagues on a daily basis, conferences will lose some of their importance. For anyone except a conference organizer, this is an unmitigated good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of scientists who publish data on their blog is just an early indicator of a nascent practice. You can&#8217;t claim it&#8217;s unpopular until a representative sample of people have tried it and quit because they didn&#8217;t like it or didn&#8217;t find it useful.  People claimed Firefox wasn&#8217;t popular, until it was.</p>
<p>Tweeting about results during a conference has nothing to do whether people bring unpublished results to the conference or not, unless it&#8217;s found to be true at some future point in time that scientists don&#8217;t bring new results to a conference if people are allowed to discuss it online.  What seems obvious to me is that this will not be found to be the case.</p>
<p>Rather, it&#8217;s quite possible that if people are easily and effectively sharing information with distant colleagues on a daily basis, conferences will lose some of their importance. For anyone except a conference organizer, this is an unmitigated good.</p>
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		<dc:creator>David Crotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think that the number of scientists who regularly post unpublished data on their own websites would be an indication of how this attitude pervades science.  

As for attendees, I&#039;ve never met a single scientist who prefers meetings that only include data that has been previously published.  It may just be my subjective experience, but it seems like common sense to me.  The best meetings are those where you learn what&#039;s currently happening at the cutting edge of science, not what happened a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that the number of scientists who regularly post unpublished data on their own websites would be an indication of how this attitude pervades science.  </p>
<p>As for attendees, I&#8217;ve never met a single scientist who prefers meetings that only include data that has been previously published.  It may just be my subjective experience, but it seems like common sense to me.  The best meetings are those where you learn what&#8217;s currently happening at the cutting edge of science, not what happened a few years ago.</p>
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